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I read this response to Rama's lingam skynightblaze at FFI from a Jesus freak LCD:
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Re: Did Abraham Build the Kaba?
Postby LCD �??????�?????�????�???�??�?�» Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:26 am
skynightblaze wrote:[002:125]
Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
LCD wrote:I wonder who did this translation, it's probably NEW, cause look at them trying to make a verb with Covenant.
I bet the Word Coventant isn't in the origional at all.
Lie and a half covenant.
The best joke is that God made no covenant with Jesus or the Christians in the Bible. lol!
The goon should look at the verse and see the Arabic highlighted in blue, which shows a promise or covenant within the verse.
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An Appeal
debunker wrote:
When I first read this I didn't notice the underlined threat. But then when I read it again, my eyes widened and I rushed to check Bahgat's life dismissal list:
http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?n ... opic&t=772
And to my shock, I noticed that MBL was not one of Bahgat's virtual reality inmates!!!
Why, Bahgat?! Why?! Why do you think MBL doesn't deserve your punishment while I do?! I also noticed that you freed Sky! Oh, I beg you dear Bahgat, let me out, please, please!
I recommend that debunker be released on parole after tagging him.
Duhhhhhhhhhh..... Debunker was being sarcastic, genius.
Do you honestly think it matters to anyone if they are on Ahmed Bahgat's list? I can't believe I'm watching you plead for some members to be on it and others removed as if being on AB's list could have the remotest effect on them in real life.
The only person at FFI stupid enough to care about this was myself, I admit with some shame, a few months ago.
BMZ wrote:
If you have let out this warped Hindu scumbag from your Life Dismissal List of FFI goons and freaks, the arthi should be put back in, so that our silent international readers, which include FFI goons and freaks also, can know about this fucked up Hindu freak from India, who has nothing to do but keeps on pouring out his verbal diarrhoea at FFI.
...Rama's lingam skynightblaze...
When is it going to get through your head that skynightblaze is an Indian atheist?
You're no better than a white racist who thinks every Arab/Middle East type is a Muslim, potentially a terrorist.
BMZ wrote:
The point is that all the ex-Muslims, after leaving Islam, have lost sense of reasoning, politeness, manners, decencies, courtesy and all cherished values imparted by Islam, and have become the vilest of all creatures, asfala saafileen (lowest of the low).
Devoid of politeness, manners, and decency... Unlike you, on your racist soapbox and constantly using profanity.
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Hello, Ahmed
It is quite common to see FFI goons quoting a verse or a one-liner. We have repeatedly clarified and told the goons and freaks to try to read and understand the sections and topics.
Like your argument for Muhammad's prophecy predicted in the Bible, based solely on Deuteronomy 18:18.
If you read the preceding verses you will see the Prophet must be from the Israelites:
"You will go in and take the land from nations that practice magic and witchcraft. But the LORD your God won't allow you to do those things.
Instead, he will choose one of your own people to be a prophet just like me, and you must do what that prophet says.
You were asking for a prophet the day you were gathered at Mount Sinai and said to the LORD, " Please don't let us hear your voice or see this terrible fire again--if we do, we will die!"
Then the LORD told me: Moses, they have said the right thing.
So when I want to speak to them, I will choose one of them to be a prophet like you. I will give my message to that prophet, who will tell the people exactly what I have said."
-Deut 18:14-18
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Thu 04 Jun, 2009 11:27 pm
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BMZ wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I count such freaks among asfalaa-saafileen, mate.
Salaams
BMZ
Exactly mate, that is why I call them 'the Lowest of the Lows', which is the exact translation to the above Arabic words you wrote using English letters
Yes, you are right. And you will be surprised to know that in the ancient Hebrew text, the word serpent was actually similar to asfalaa saafileen, the lowest of the low and that is how it was translated to serpent in a silly way for Satan, despised as the lowest of the low and how low could he go . lol!
The Hebrew word for serpent, as in the Biblical serpent in the garden of Eden is "Nachash" (נָחָשׁ), sometimes a serpent is called "seraph" (שרף) in reference to it's bite causing burning pain - like the fiery Seraphim...
The only word meaning anything like Arabic "safil" used for The Serpent is "Natash" (נתש) Except the meaning of this is outcast, abandoned, or forsaken... not lowest.
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Fri 05 Jun, 2009 12:18 am
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BMZ wrote:
Regarding Deut 18:18, even a fraction of it does not apply to Jesus. Jesus fails the Deut 18:18 litmus test, if you know what I mean and in fact the Jews rejected him because he did not fit the Deut 18:18 bill, reprodued below from the Jewish Scripture:
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15. A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the Lord, your God will set up for you you shall hearken to him. טו. נָבִיא מִקִּרְבְּךָ מֵאַחֶיךָ כָּמֹנִי יָקִים לְךָ יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֶיךָ אֵלָיו תִּשְׁמָעוּן:
16. According to all that you asked of the Lord, your God, in Horeb, on the day of the assembly, saying, "Let me not continue to hear the voice of the Lord, my God, and let me no longer see this great fire, so that I will not die." טז. כְּכֹל אֲשֶׁר שָׁאַלְתָּ מֵעִם יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בְּחֹרֵב בְּיוֹם הַקָּהָל לֵאמֹר לֹא אֹסֵף לִשְׁמֹעַ אֶת קוֹל יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהָי וְאֶת הָאֵשׁ הַגְּדֹלָה הַזֹּאת לֹא אֶרְאֶה עוֹד וְלֹא אָמוּת:
17. And the Lord said to me, "They have done well in what they have spoken. יז. וַיֹּאמֶר יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֵלָי הֵיטִיבוּ אֲשֶׁר דִּבֵּרוּ:
18. I will set up a prophet for them from among their brothers like you, and I will put My words into his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. יח. נָבִיא אָקִים לָהֶם מִקֶּרֶב אֲחֵיהֶם כָּמוֹךָ וְנָתַתִּי דְבָרַי בְּפִיו וְדִבֶּר אֲלֵיהֶם אֵת כָּל אֲשֶׁר אֲצַוֶּנּוּ:
19. And it will be, that whoever does not hearken to My words that he speaks in My name, I will exact [it] of him. יט. וְהָיָה הָאִישׁ אֲשֶׁר לֹא יִשְׁמַע אֶל דְּבָרַי אֲשֶׁר יְדַבֵּר בִּשְׁמִי אָנֹכִי אֶדְרֹשׁ מֵעִמּוֹ:
20. But the prophet who intentionally speaks a word in My name, which I did not command him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. כ. אַךְ הַנָּבִיא אֲשֶׁר יָזִיד לְדַבֵּר דָּבָר בִּשְׁמִי אֵת אֲשֶׁר לֹא צִוִּיתִיו לְדַבֵּר וַאֲשֶׁר יְדַבֵּר בְּשֵׁם אֱ־לֹהִים אֲחֵרִים וּמֵת הַנָּבִיא הַהוּא:
21. Now if you say to yourself, "How will we know the word that the Lord did not speak?" כא. וְכִי תֹאמַר בִּלְבָבֶךָ אֵיכָה נֵדַע אֶת הַדָּבָר אֲשֶׁר לֹא דִבְּרוֹ יְ־הֹוָ־ה:
22. If the prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, and the thing does not occur and does not come about, that is the thing the Lord did not speak. The prophet has spoken it wantonly; you shall not be afraid of him.
It is a copy and paste, so pardon me if it does not turn up well and see for yourself that it does not fit Jesus at all.
Even the Jewish scripture has been forged repeatedly. Also note that the entire NT, OT and the Jewish Tanakh are not the Injeel and the Torah at all.
BMZ
So, if Jesus fails the Deuteronomy 18:18 test... Therefore Muhammad passes it?
YHWH said to the Israelites: "A prophet from among you"
Actually the test does not apply to Muhammad and he does not need to pass it. I have already told you that the Jewish and Christian scriptures have gone through lots of forgeries.
However, if you look at the requirements, Muhammad meets them and passes it. He was from the lineage of Abraham, through Ishmael. Jesus, on the other hand, does not meet even an iota of the so-called test.
BMZ
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Fri 05 Jun, 2009 12:13 pm
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Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
The guy skynightblaze has no manners, does not know any courtesy and is a hardcore Hindu freak full of hate for Islam, ashamed of disclosing his Hindu mind and religion to the goons at FFI.
Can you prove to me that goon is an atheist? Why should I spare him if he is really an atheist. The shameless soul is foaming at the mouth when he pours obscenities on Islam, Prophet, Qur'aan, Allah and Muslims and it does not occur to you that he is the miserable racist himself and you come to question me?
I understand why you attack sky personally. He is attacking your beliefs after all. But why do you blame it on him being a Hindu after he's expressly stated he's not a Hindu?
You apparently don't want to believe this, because someone evil enough to speak against Islam must be a Yahudi, or a Hinduvata extremist, or a fanatical Evangelical.
I have been attacked on the internet and off by many people, but I have never responded by insulting their race, or their parents, or their religion.
BMZ wrote:
In fact, in all honesty, if you are a nice and sincere person, you should have the guts to stand up to the miserable posters of FFI and criticise them on their behaviour. You dare not do that but you dare do come here and criticise me on behalf of someone who writes filth?
Thanks for writing a little bit in support of Arabs.
I would like to see your responses to skynightblaze's filthy posts, when he attacks and assails the Prophet of Islam and Allah, using totally filthy and vulgur language.
If you like, I can point out a few posts from the scumbag and you go and criticise him.
I am sure you remember, when I wrote the word Zorats, it hurt you. Right? Why did you feel hurt? What was so bad about that? And note that I did not use filthy language.
That should make you feel how do I feel and why I blast the scumbags regardless of one being a theist or an atheist, a Hindu or Christian, who write filth.
You can attack me personally. No problem there. I will remain cool. However, I will retaliate using your style, if you do that.
I attack Christianity, it's incoherence and absurdity on various forums but I skin any mule, who is intolerant of Islam and writes filth.
Short and simple. skynightblaze and many others on FFI are racist bigots, hypocrites and filthy liars, full of hate against Islam and the Muslims.
I reserve the right to attack such filthy freaks, so let them come and write. Do not act on their or skynightblaze's behalf. Man is known by the company he keeps. lol!
However, I must add that you appear to be a decent person in real life from the tone of your language in the post. I appreciate that.
Cheers
BMZ
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Fri 05 Jun, 2009 1:16 pm
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BMZ wrote:
I would like to see your responses to skynightblaze's filthy posts, when he attacks and assails the Prophet of Islam and Allah, using totally filthy and vulgur language.
Now that I look again I see some of his posts were OTT.
K. I will have a word with him.
BMZ wrote:
I am sure you remember, when I wrote the word Zorats, it hurt you. Right?
No, but it made me angry.
The first time I simply said: "I never spelled the name of Muhammad or Allah disrespectfully and it reflects badly on you to stoop to this"
When you kept on referring to us as Zorats I lost my temper. Zoroastrians are not rats.
BMZ wrote:
That should make you feel how do I feel and why I blast the scumbags regardless of one being a theist or an atheist, a Hindu or Christian, who write filth.
Yes, but this doesn't explain why you respond by insulting the racial or cultural group they identify with. Did I dehumanize Muslims or Arabs ever?
I have always said of myself that I am a very flawed Zoroastrian and the least representative of them. If you had just said: "Aksel, you are a filthy lying retard" I wouldn't have cared all that much.
BMZ wrote:
However, I must add that you appear to be a decent person in real life from the tone of your language in the post. I appreciate that.
Cheers
BMZ
Yes, you too BMZ, I may have been unfair to you.
This kind of internet activism brings out the worst in people.
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Fri 05 Jun, 2009 1:50 pm
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Actually the test does not apply to Muhammad and he does not need to pass it. I have already told you that the Jewish and Christian scriptures have gone through lots of forgeries.
However, if you look at the requirements, Muhammad meets them and passes it. He was from the lineage of Abraham, through Ishmael. Jesus, on the other hand, does not meet even an iota of the so-called test.
BMZ
The Israelites were descended through Isaac, by way of his son Jacob. If the Biblical God adresses the Israelites and says "a prophet from among you" he cannot mean a descendant of Ishmael.
You would need to reject both the Biblical and Islamic genealogies to understand Israelites as descendents of Ishmael.
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Fri 05 Jun, 2009 1:59 pm
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Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
Actually the test does not apply to Muhammad and he does not need to pass it. I have already told you that the Jewish and Christian scriptures have gone through lots of forgeries.
However, if you look at the requirements, Muhammad meets them and passes it. He was from the lineage of Abraham, through Ishmael. Jesus, on the other hand, does not meet even an iota of the so-called test.
BMZ
The Israelites were descended through Isaac, by way of his son Jacob. If the Biblical God adresses the Israelites and says "a prophet from among you" he cannot mean a descendant of Ishmael.
You would need to reject both the Biblical and Islamic genealogies to understand Israelites as descendents of Ishmael.
I do not really go into genealogies. I just mentioned that point because Abraham had two sons and being from his own loins, they were his sons, his own flesh and blood, regardless of the two ladies.
Cheers
Baig
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Fri 05 Jun, 2009 4:10 pm
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Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
I would like to see your responses to skynightblaze's filthy posts, when he attacks and assails the Prophet of Islam and Allah, using totally filthy and vulgur language.
Now that I look again I see some of his posts were OTT.
K. I will have a word with him.
BMZ wrote:
I am sure you remember, when I wrote the word Zorats, it hurt you. Right?
No, but it made me angry.
The first time I simply said: "I never spelled the name of Muhammad or Allah disrespectfully and it reflects badly on you to stoop to this"
When you kept on referring to us as Zorats I lost my temper. Zoroastrians are not rats.
BMZ wrote:
That should make you feel how do I feel and why I blast the scumbags regardless of one being a theist or an atheist, a Hindu or Christian, who write filth.
Yes, but this doesn't explain why you respond by insulting the racial or cultural group they identify with. Did I dehumanize Muslims or Arabs ever?
I have always said of myself that I am a very flawed Zoroastrian and the least representative of them. If you had just said: "Aksel, you are a filthy lying retard" I wouldn't have cared all that much.
BMZ wrote:
However, I must add that you appear to be a decent person in real life from the tone of your language in the post. I appreciate that.
Cheers
BMZ
Yes, you too BMZ, I may have been unfair to you.
This kind of internet activism brings out the worst in people.
Just to clarify that I never intended that word to mean rats at all.
I just coined it for a particular exchange. Forget that, please.
Did you like Obama's speech? I really liked it. It is the first time that an American President was honest and frank in speaking the truth after more than half a century.
Cheers
BMZ
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Fri 05 Jun, 2009 4:15 pm
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Post subject: PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SPEECH: WHINING & RAMBLING AT FFI
The FFI goons and Islamophobes have started their whining and rambling, without thinking outside the box. I refer to ygalg's opening post and looks like he was not happy hearing that good speech. lol!
FFI goons can't even appreciate a man's sincere and honest thoughts. However, I am pleased to note that dot-coms, dot-orgs and men like Ali Sina, Geert Wilders, fanatic Robert Spencer and many other fake internet characters have had no effect of their useless and meaningless tirades against Islam and Muslims.
The following is the full text of US President Barack Obama's speech in Cairo:
I am honored to be in the timeless city of Cairo, and to be hosted by two remarkable institutions. For over a thousand years, al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning, and for over a century, Cairo University has been a source of Egypt's advancement. Together, you represent the harmony between tradition and progress. I am grateful for your hospitality, and the hospitality of the people of Egypt. I am also proud to carry with me the goodwill of the American people, and a greeting of peace from Muslim communities in my country: assalaamu alaykum.
We meet at a time of tension between the United States and Muslims around the world - tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate. The relationship between Islam and the west includes centuries of co-existence and co-operation, but also conflict and religious wars. More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a cold war in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the west as hostile to the traditions of Islam.
Violent extremists have exploited these tensions in a small but potent minority of Muslims. The attacks of September 11 2001 and the continued efforts of these extremists to engage in violence against civilians has led some in my country to view Islam as inevitably hostile not only to America and western countries, but also to human rights. This has bred more fear and mistrust.
So long as our relationship is defined by our differences, we will empower those who sow hatred rather than peace, and who promote conflict rather than the co-operation that can help all of our people achieve justice and prosperity. This cycle of suspicion and discord must end.
I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect; and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles - principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.
I do so recognizing that change cannot happen overnight. No single speech can eradicate years of mistrust, nor can I answer in the time that I have all the complex questions that brought us to this point. But I am convinced that in order to move forward, we must say openly the things we hold in our hearts, and that too often are said only behind closed doors. There must be a sustained effort to listen to each other; to learn from each other; to respect one another; and to seek common ground. As the Holy Koran tells us:
"Be conscious of God and speak always the truth."
That is what I will try to do - to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart.
Part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I am a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan [the Muslim call to prayer] at the break of dawn and the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.
As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam - at places like al-Azhar University - that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.
I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote:
"The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims."
And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic torch. And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our founding fathers - Thomas Jefferson - kept in his personal library.
So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.
But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America. Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words - within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept: E pluribus unum -
"Out of many, one."
Much has been made of the fact that an African-American with the name Barack Hussein Obama could be elected president. But my personal story is not so unique. The dream of opportunity for all people has not come true for everyone in America, but its promise exists for all who come to our shores - that includes nearly 7 million American Muslims in our country today who enjoy incomes and education that are higher than average.
Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one's religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state of our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That is why the US government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it.
So let there be no doubt: Islam is a part of America. And I believe that America holds within her the truth that regardless of race, religion, or station in life, all of us share common aspirations - to live in peace and security; to get an education and to work with dignity; to love our families, our communities, and our God. These things we share. This is the hope of all humanity.
Of course, recognizing our common humanity is only the beginning of our task. Words alone cannot meet the needs of our people. These needs will be met only if we act boldly in the years ahead; and if we understand that the challenges we face are shared, and our failure to meet them will hurt us all.
For we have learned from recent experience that when a financial system weakens in one country, prosperity is hurt everywhere. When a new flu infects one human being, all are at risk. When one nation pursues a nuclear weapon, the risk of nuclear attack rises for all nations. When violent extremists operate in one stretch of mountains, people are endangered across an ocean. And when innocents in Bosnia and Darfur are slaughtered, that is a stain on our collective conscience. That is what it means to share this world in the 21st century. That is the responsibility we have to one another as human beings.
This is a difficult responsibility to embrace. For human history has often been a record of nations and tribes subjugating one another to serve their own interests. Yet in this new age, such attitudes are self-defeating. Given our interdependence, any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail. So whatever we think of the past, we must not be prisoners of it. Our problems must be dealt with through partnership; progress must be shared.
That does not mean we should ignore sources of tension. Indeed, it suggests the opposite: we must face these tensions squarely. And so in that spirit, let me speak as clearly and plainly as I can about some specific issues that I believe we must finally confront together.
The first issue that we have to confront is violent extremism in all of its forms.
In Ankara, I made clear that America is not - and never will be - at war with Islam. We will, however, relentlessly confront violent extremists who pose a grave threat to our security. Because we reject the same thing that people of all faiths reject: the killing of innocent men, women, and children. And it is my first duty as president to protect the American people.
The situation in Afghanistan demonstrates America's goals, and our need to work together. Over seven years ago, the United States pursued al-Qaida and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice, we went because of necessity. I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11. But let us be clear: al-Qaida killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet al-Qaida chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.
Make no mistake: we do not want to keep our troops in Afghanistan. We seek no military bases there. It is agonizing for America to lose our young men and women. It is costly and politically difficult to continue this conflict. We would gladly bring every single one of our troops home if we could be confident that there were not violent extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan determined to kill as many Americans as they possibly can. But that is not yet the case.
That's why we're partnering with a coalition of 46 countries. And despite the costs involved, America's commitment will not weaken. Indeed, none of us should tolerate these extremists. They have killed in many countries. They have killed people of different faiths - more than any other, they have killed Muslims. Their actions are irreconcilable with the rights of human beings, the progress of nations, and with Islam. The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind. The enduring faith of over a billion people is so much bigger than the narrow hatred of a few. Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism - it is an important part of promoting peace.
We also know that military power alone is not going to solve the problems in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is why we plan to invest $1.5bn (�??????�?????�????�???�??�?�£914m) each year over the next five years to partner with Pakistanis to build schools and hospitals, roads and businesses, and hundreds of millions to help those who have been displaced. And that is why we are providing more than $2.8bn to help Afghans develop their economy and deliver services that people depend upon.
Let me also address the issue of Iraq. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq was a war of choice that provoked strong differences in my country and around the world. Although I believe that the Iraqi people are ultimately better off without the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, I also believe that events in Iraq have reminded America of the need to use diplomacy and build international consensus to resolve our problems whenever possible. Indeed, we can recall the words of Thomas Jefferson, who said:
"I hope that our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be."
Today, America has a dual responsibility: to help Iraq forge a better future - and to leave Iraq to Iraqis. I have made it clear to the Iraqi people that we pursue no bases, and no claim on their territory or resources. Iraq's sovereignty is its own. That is why I ordered the removal of our combat brigades by next August. That is why we will honor our agreement with Iraq's democratically elected government to remove combat troops from Iraqi cities by July, and to remove all our troops from Iraq by 2012. We will help Iraq train its security forces and develop its economy. But we will support a secure and united Iraq as a partner, and never as a patron.
And finally, just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter our principles. 9/11 was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our ideals. We are taking concrete actions to change course. I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guant�??????�?????�????�???�??�?�¡namo Bay closed by early next year.
So America will defend itself, respectful of the sovereignty of nations and the rule of law. And we will do so in partnership with Muslim communities which are also threatened. The sooner the extremists are isolated and unwelcome in Muslim communities, the sooner we will all be safer.
The second major source of tension that we need to discuss is the situation between Israelis, Palestinians and the Arab world.
America's strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.
Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and antisemitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed - more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction - or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews - is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.
On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people - Muslims and Christians - have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than 60 years they have endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations - large and small - that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.
For decades, there has been a stalemate: two peoples with legitimate aspirations, each with a painful history that makes compromise elusive. It is easy to point fingers - for Palestinians to point to the displacement brought by Israel's founding and for Israelis to point to the constant hostility and attacks throughout its history from within its borders as well as beyond. But if we see this conflict only from one side or the other, then we will be blind to the truth: the only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security.
That is in Israel's interest, Palestine's interest, America's interest, and the world's interest. That is why I intend to personally pursue this outcome with all the patience that the task requires. The obligations that the parties have agreed to under the road map are clear. For peace to come, it is time for them - and all of us - to live up to our responsibilities.
Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America's founding. This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from eastern Europe to Indonesia. It's a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered.
Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.
At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.
Israel must also live up to its obligations to ensure that Palestinians can live, and work, and develop their society. And just as it devastates Palestinian families, the continuing humanitarian crisis in Gaza does not serve Israel's security; neither does the continuing lack of opportunity in the West Bank. Progress in the daily lives of the Palestinian people must be part of a road to peace, and Israel must take concrete steps to enable such progress.
Finally, the Arab states must recognize that the Arab Peace Initiative was an important beginning, but not the end of their responsibilities. The Arab-Israeli conflict should no longer be used to distract the people of Arab nations from other problems. Instead, it must be a cause for action to help the Palestinian people develop the institutions that will sustain their state; to recognize Israel's legitimacy; and to choose progress over a self-defeating focus on the past.
America will align our policies with those who pursue peace, and say in public what we say in private to Israelis and Palestinians and Arabs. We cannot impose peace. But privately, many Muslims recognize that Israel will not go away. Likewise, many Israelis recognize the need for a Palestinian state. It is time for us to act on what everyone knows to be true.
Too many tears have flowed. Too much blood has been shed. All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed (peace be upon them) joined in prayer.
The third source of tension is our shared interest in the rights and responsibilities of nations on nuclear weapons.
This issue has been a source of tension between the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran. For many years, Iran has defined itself in part by its opposition to my country, and there is indeed a tumultuous history between us. In the middle of the Cold War, the United States played a role in the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government. Since the Islamic revolution, Iran has played a role in acts of hostage-taking and violence against US troops and civilians. This history is well known. Rather than remain trapped in the past, I have made it clear to Iran's leaders and people that my country is prepared to move forward. The question, now, is not what Iran is against, but rather what future it wants to build.
It will be hard to overcome decades of mistrust, but we will proceed with courage, rectitude and resolve. There will be many issues to discuss between our two countries, and we are willing to move forward without preconditions on the basis of mutual respect. But it is clear to all concerned that when it comes to nuclear weapons, we have reached a decisive point. This is not simply about America's interests. It is about preventing a nuclear arms race in the Middle East that could lead this region and the world down a hugely dangerous path.
I understand those who protest that some countries have weapons that others do not. No single nation should pick and choose which nations hold nuclear weapons. That is why I strongly reaffirmed America's commitment to seek a world in which no nations hold nuclear weapons. And any nation - including Iran - should have the right to access peaceful nuclear power if it complies with its responsibilities under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. That commitment is at the core of the treaty, and it must be kept for all who fully abide by it. And I am hopeful that all countries in the region can share in this goal.
The fourth issue that I will address is democracy.
I know there has been controversy about the promotion of democracy in recent years, and much of this controversy is connected to the war in Iraq. So let me be clear: no system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other.
That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people. Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people. America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere.
There is no straight line to realize this promise. But this much is clear: governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure. Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them. And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments - provided they govern with respect for all their people.
This last point is important because there are some who advocate for democracy only when they are out of power; once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others. No matter where it takes hold, government of the people and by the people sets a single standard for all who hold power: you must maintain your power through consent, not coercion; you must respect the rights of minorities, and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise; you must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party. Without these ingredients, elections alone do not make true democracy.
The fifth issue that we must address together is religious freedom.
Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition. I saw it first-hand as a child in Indonesia, where devout Christians worshipped freely in an overwhelmingly Muslim country. That is the spirit we need today. People in every country should be free to choose and live their faith based upon the persuasion of the mind, heart, and soul. This tolerance is essential for religion to thrive, but it is being challenged in many different ways.
Among some Muslims, there is a disturbing tendency to measure one's own faith by the rejection of another's. The richness of religious diversity must be upheld - whether it is for Maronites in Lebanon or the Copts in Egypt. And fault lines must be closed among Muslims as well, as the divisions between Sunni and Shia have led to tragic violence, particularly in Iraq.
Freedom of religion is central to the ability of peoples to live together. We must always examine the ways in which we protect it. For instance, in the United States, rules on charitable giving have made it harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious obligation. That is why I am committed to working with American Muslims to ensure that they can fulfil zakat.
Likewise, it is important for western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit- for instance, by dictating what clothes a Muslim woman should wear. We cannot disguise hostility towards any religion behind the pretense of liberalism.
Indeed, faith should bring us together. That is why we are forging service projects in America that bring together Christians, Muslims, and Jews. That is why we welcome efforts like Saudi Arabian King Abdullah's Interfaith dialogue and Turkey's leadership in the Alliance of Civilizations. Around the world, we can turn dialogue into interfaith service, so bridges between peoples lead to action- whether it is combating malaria in Africa, or providing relief after a natural disaster.
The sixth issue that I want to address is women's rights.
I know there is debate about this issue. I reject the view of some in the west that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal, but I do believe that a woman who is denied an education is denied equality. And it is no coincidence that countries where women are well-educated are far more likely to be prosperous.
Now let me be clear: issues of women's equality are by no means simply an issue for Islam. In Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia, we have seen Muslim-majority countries elect a woman to lead. Meanwhile, the struggle for women's equality continues in many aspects of American life, and in countries around the world.
Our daughters can contribute just as much to society as our sons, and our common prosperity will be advanced by allowing all humanity - men and women - to reach their full potential. I do not believe that women must make the same choices as men in order to be equal, and I respect those women who choose to live their lives in traditional roles. But it should be their choice. That is why the United States will partner with any Muslim-majority country to support expanded literacy for girls, and to help young women pursue employment through micro-financing that helps people live their dreams.
Finally, I want to discuss economic development and opportunity.
I know that for many, the face of globalization is contradictory. The internet and television can bring knowledge and information, but also offensive sexuality and mindless violence. Trade can bring new wealth and opportunities, but also huge disruptions and changing communities. In all nations - including my own - this change can bring fear. Fear that because of modernity we will lose of control over our economic choices, our politics, and most importantly our identities - those things we most cherish about our communities, our families, our traditions, and our faith.
But I also know that human progress cannot be denied. There need not be contradiction between development and tradition. Countries like Japan and South Korea grew their economies while maintaining distinct cultures. The same is true for the astonishing progress within Muslim-majority countries from Kuala Lumpur to Dubai. In ancient times and in our times, Muslim communities have been at the forefront of innovation and education.
This is important because no development strategy can be based only upon what comes out of the ground, nor can it be sustained while young people are out of work. Many Gulf States have enjoyed great wealth as a consequence of oil, and some are beginning to focus it on broader development. But all of us must recognize that education and innovation will be the currency of the 21st century, and in too many Muslim communities there remains underinvestment in these areas. I am emphasizing such investments within my country. And while America in the past has focused on oil and gas in this part of the world, we now seek a broader engagement.
On education, we will expand exchange programs, and increase scholarships, like the one that brought my father to America, while encouraging more Americans to study in Muslim communities. And we will match promising Muslim students with internships in America; invest in online learning for teachers and children around the world; and create a new online network, so a teenager in Kansas can communicate instantly with a teenager in Cairo.
On economic development, we will create a new corps of business volunteers to partner with counterparts in Muslim-majority countries. And I will host a summit on entrepreneurship this year to identify how we can deepen ties between business leaders, foundations and social entrepreneurs in the United States and Muslim communities around the world.
On science and technology, we will launch a new fund to support technological development in Muslim-majority countries, and to help transfer ideas to the marketplace so they can create jobs. We will open centers of scientific excellence in Africa, the Middle East and south-east Asia, and appoint new science envoys to collaborate on programs that develop new sources of energy, create green jobs, digitize records, clean wate and grow new crops. And today I am announcing a new global effort with the Organization of the Islamic Conference to eradicate polio. And we will also expand partnerships with Muslim communities to promote child and maternal health.
All these things must be done in partnership. Americans are ready to join with citizens and governments; community organizations, religious leaders, and businesses in Muslim communities around the world to help our people pursue a better life.
The issues that I have described will not be easy to address. But we have a responsibility to join together on behalf of the world we seek - a world where extremists no longer threaten our people, and American troops have come home; a world where Israelis and Palestinians are each secure in a state of their own, and nuclear energy is used for peaceful purposes; a world where governments serve their citizens, and the rights of all God's children are respected. Those are mutual interests. That is the world we seek. But we can only achieve it together.
I know there are many - Muslim and non-Muslim - who question whether we can forge this new beginning. Some are eager to stoke the flames of division, and to stand in the way of progress. Some suggest that it isn't worth the effort - that we are fated to disagree, and civilizations are doomed to clash. Many more are simply skeptical that real change can occur. There is so much fear, so much mistrust. But if we choose to be bound by the past, we will never move forward. And I want to particularly say this to young people of every faith, in every country - you, more than anyone, have the ability to remake this world.
All of us share this world for but a brief moment in time. The question is whether we spend that time focused on what pushes us apart, or whether we commit ourselves to an effort - a sustained effort _ to find common ground, to focus on the future we seek for our children, and to respect the dignity of all human beings.
It is easier to start wars than to end them. It is easier to blame others than to look inward; to see what is different about someone than to find the things we share. But we should choose the right path, not just the easy path. There is also one rule that lies at the heart of every religion - that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. This truth transcends nations and peoples - a belief that isn't new; that isn't black or white or brown; that isn't Christian, or Muslim or Jew. It's a belief that pulsed in the cradle of civilization, and that still beats in the heart of billions. It's a faith in other people, and it's what brought me here today.
We have the power to make the world we seek, but only if we have the courage to make a new beginning, keeping in mind what has been written.
The Holy Koran tells u:
"O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another."
The Talmud tells us:
"The whole of the Torah is for the purpose of promoting peace."
The Holy Bible tells us:
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."
The people of the world can live together in peace. We know that is God's vision. Now, that must be our work here on Earth. Thank you. And may God's peace be upon you.
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Post subject: Skynightblaze's response to BMZ
BMZ, sky has written a response to your acccusations:
skynightblaze wrote:
THE GREATEST TROLL- SIR BMZ
Waste of Bandwidth wrote:
The guy skynightblaze has no manners, does not know any courtesy and is a hardcore Hindu freak full of hate for Islam, ashamed of disclosing his Hindu mind and religion to the goons at FFI.
Can you prove to me that goon is an atheist? Why should I spare him if he is really an atheist. The shameless soul is foaming at the mouth when he pours obscenities on Islam, Prophet, Qur'aan, Allah and Muslims and it does not occur to you that he is the miserable racist himself and you come to question me?
I am deliberately stating this issue here to show mentally handicapped BMZ his intellectual level.He has insulted many members other than myself like Khalil,Aksel,FinallyFree , Sunshine ,ExpozIslam ,Ixolite, Yeezevee, Rashna ,Debunker and many more and as usual this guy doesnt have a single point.
The all time greatest troll cant even understand simple things . See how dumb he is .I have declared thousands of times publicly that I am a hindu by birth but atheist by nature but this idiot still cant grasp my message . I even had declared this in my first post in one to one debate with this troll at COEM.This guy still was questioning Aksel about my beliefs and abusing me.HE has a unique knack of not understanding the point even when it is repeated multiple times and thats why I say he is amazingly dumb.
Let me make clear my stance so that this idiot can understand better.I dont like to hide facts. IF facts hurt you then you better stop visiting FFI or anti islamic sites or prove us wrong (which you obviously cant). IF I manage to prove my accusation I will call spade a spade and if that hurts you its not my fault you load of bullshit.Following are what I call facts:
1) Your quran is intellectually bankrupt and thats because your prophet wasnt good at logics and hence Muhhamad was a fake prophet.
2) Your prophet was a criminal(I dont say this but your own scriptures tell us). Now you dumb reality doesnt change just because you reject the hadiths. You tried proving age of Aisha as more than 16 but you failed miserably at COEM.
3) Trolls like you dont even deserve an iota of respect because you bloody have no point and yet you resort to making fun and abusing others for criticizing your fake religion.
4) Muslims are the greatest liars when it comes to their religion. In your case I would say you are not a liar but you are simply more than a dumb and thats why you end up making loads of nonsense posts.
All my posts deal with the above . ITs not racism but these are plain facts.Calling spade a spade is not abuse nor racism. Now ofcourse a troll like you would still not understand what racism and bigotry is about. It seems that anyone who hates your religion is a racist and bigot according to you.
Champion Troll wrote:
In fact, in all honesty, if you are a nice and sincere person, you should have the guts to stand up to the miserable posters of FFI and criticise them on their behaviour. You dare not do that but you dare do come here and criticise me on behalf of someone who writes filth?
Idiot, how about writing a post that you can prove for a change? How about writing one sensible post to start with you junk specialist? IT seems to me that one forum isnt sufficient for you to troll. YOu own a private forum and are already wasting the bandwidth to the max but it seems to me that you are not satisfied by that and your mind simply desires to troll more and more and thats why I see you visiting other forums.
You should be reported to your ISP and permanently banned from posting anywhere on the internet as you are simply waste of bandwidth. IT would also save some time of readers who scrutinize your crap with the anticipation that they would atleast find something for food of thought but eventually ending up wasting their precious time.
Mate you are a naturally gifted troll .Words alone cannot describe the smoothness of your trolling.IF I was to use some words then let me try to describe your performance. You troll so smoothly just like a free fall i.e there is not a single evidence of wisdom in your words to disrupt the flow . If there exist a GOD of TROLLS then I testify either you are his messenger .
You had said somewhere that you are allergic to the word TROLL because you write coherently . All the great men always under estimated themselves unless the world recognized the potential in them. Same is the problem with you. You are underestimating yourself by saying you arent a troll .The entire world has recognized your trolling ability and are now respecting it .All you need is PC and a forum and way you go.Please realize the hidden talents within yourself .
Bmz wrote:
I do not write at FFI anymore but sometimes I just read to see what the various goons are writing
ITs not that you dont write at FFI but rather the fact is you are not allowed to write(trolling to be precise) at FFI .
Posted:
Sun 07 Jun, 2009 2:08 pm
Aksel_Ankersen Pawn
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Post subject: Re: PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SPEECH: WHINING & RAMBLING AT FFI
BMZ wrote:
The FFI goons and Islamophobes have started their whining and rambling, without thinking outside the box. I refer to ygalg's opening post and looks like he was not happy hearing that good speech. lol!
FFI goons can't even appreciate a man's sincere and honest thoughts. However, I am pleased to note that dot-coms, dot-orgs and men like Ali Sina, Geert Wilders, fanatic Robert Spencer and many other fake internet characters have had no effect of their useless and meaningless tirades against Islam and Muslims.
Obama has such a starry-eyed view of the situation, unwilling to admit that the conflict between Islam and the West goes a lot deeper and broader than a few violent extremists. He grew up, of course, with the Islam practised in Indonesia, which is substantially less belicose than that of Middle East/West Asian and African nations.
However, I give him credit that he puts the pressure on those anti-semites like Ahmedinejad.
Posted:
Sun 07 Jun, 2009 2:12 pm
BMZ Moderator
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Post subject: Re: PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SPEECH: WHINING & RAMBLING AT FFI
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ wrote:
The FFI goons and Islamophobes have started their whining and rambling, without thinking outside the box. I refer to ygalg's opening post and looks like he was not happy hearing that good speech. lol!
FFI goons can't even appreciate a man's sincere and honest thoughts. However, I am pleased to note that dot-coms, dot-orgs and men like Ali Sina, Geert Wilders, fanatic Robert Spencer and many other fake internet characters have had no effect of their useless and meaningless tirades against Islam and Muslims.
Obama has such a starry-eyed view of the situation, unwilling to admit that the conflict between Islam and the West goes a lot deeper and broader than a few violent extremists. He grew up, of course, with the Islam practised in Indonesia, which is substantially less belicose than that of Middle East/West Asian and African nations.
However, I give him credit that he puts the pressure on those anti-semites like Ahmedinejad.
There is a difference in being an anti-Semite and anti-Israel. Talking against Israel does not mean one is anti-Semite. It has become a fashion word. lol!
Ahmedinejad is not an anti-Semite. You can call him anti-Israel.
I consider Obama as the first American President, who has really been honest and open in his speech. Others in the past 70 years have never been honest and sincere as this man is.
And his pressure as well as that of other not-so-honest and insincere past American Presidents is all about the worry that Iran may build nuclear bombs.
But legally they can't do anything because Iran has been transparent and IAEA is aware of her activities.
You can only be considered anti-Semite if you talk bad about only the Jews. If I criticise Israel on her horrible and dirty behaviour, the land grab, establishing homes in occupied lands not accepted by the UN,
one cannot call me an anti-Semite.
Obama is thus waking up both sides, which is good. By the way, all the stock in that area is Semite. lol!
Cheers
BMZ
Posted:
Sun 07 Jun, 2009 6:09 pm
BMZ Moderator
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Post subject: Re: Skynightblaze's response to BMZ
Aksel_Ankersen wrote:
BMZ, sky has written a response to your acccusations:
skynightblaze wrote:
THE GREATEST TROLL- SIR BMZ
Waste of Bandwidth wrote:
The guy skynightblaze has no manners, does not know any courtesy and is a hardcore Hindu freak full of hate for Islam, ashamed of disclosing his Hindu mind and religion to the goons at FFI.
Can you prove to me that goon is an atheist? Why should I spare him if he is really an atheist. The shameless soul is foaming at the mouth when he pours obscenities on Islam, Prophet, Qur'aan, Allah and Muslims and it does not occur to you that he is the miserable racist himself and you come to question me?
I am deliberately stating this issue here to show mentally handicapped BMZ his intellectual level.He has insulted many members other than myself like Khalil,Aksel,FinallyFree , Sunshine ,ExpozIslam ,Ixolite, Yeezevee, Rashna ,Debunker and many more and as usual this guy doesnt have a single point.
The all time greatest troll cant even understand simple things . See how dumb he is .I have declared thousands of times publicly that I am a hindu by birth but atheist by nature but this idiot still cant grasp my message . I even had declared this in my first post in one to one debate with this troll at COEM.This guy still was questioning Aksel about my beliefs and abusing me.HE has a unique knack of not understanding the point even when it is repeated multiple times and thats why I say he is amazingly dumb.
Let me make clear my stance so that this idiot can understand better.I dont like to hide facts. IF facts hurt you then you better stop visiting FFI or anti islamic sites or prove us wrong (which you obviously cant). IF I manage to prove my accusation I will call spade a spade and if that hurts you its not my fault you load of bullshit.Following are what I call facts:
1) Your quran is intellectually bankrupt and thats because your prophet wasnt good at logics and hence Muhhamad was a fake prophet.
2) Your prophet was a criminal(I dont say this but your own scriptures tell us). Now you dumb reality doesnt change just because you reject the hadiths. You tried proving age of Aisha as more than 16 but you failed miserably at COEM.
3) Trolls like you dont even deserve an iota of respect because you bloody have no point and yet you resort to making fun and abusing others for criticizing your fake religion.
4) Muslims are the greatest liars when it comes to their religion. In your case I would say you are not a liar but you are simply more than a dumb and thats why you end up making loads of nonsense posts.
All my posts deal with the above . ITs not racism but these are plain facts.Calling spade a spade is not abuse nor racism. Now ofcourse a troll like you would still not understand what racism and bigotry is about. It seems that anyone who hates your religion is a racist and bigot according to you.
Champion Troll wrote:
In fact, in all honesty, if you are a nice and sincere person, you should have the guts to stand up to the miserable posters of FFI and criticise them on their behaviour. You dare not do that but you dare do come here and criticise me on behalf of someone who writes filth?
Idiot, how about writing a post that you can prove for a change? How about writing one sensible post to start with you junk specialist? IT seems to me that one forum isnt sufficient for you to troll. YOu own a private forum and are already wasting the bandwidth to the max but it seems to me that you are not satisfied by that and your mind simply desires to troll more and more and thats why I see you visiting other forums.
You should be reported to your ISP and permanently banned from posting anywhere on the internet as you are simply waste of bandwidth. IT would also save some time of readers who scrutinize your crap with the anticipation that they would atleast find something for food of thought but eventually ending up wasting their precious time.
Mate you are a naturally gifted troll .Words alone cannot describe the smoothness of your trolling.IF I was to use some words then let me try to describe your performance. You troll so smoothly just like a free fall i.e there is not a single evidence of wisdom in your words to disrupt the flow . If there exist a GOD of TROLLS then I testify either you are his messenger .
You had said somewhere that you are allergic to the word TROLL because you write coherently . All the great men always under estimated themselves unless the world recognized the potential in them. Same is the problem with you. You are underestimating yourself by saying you arent a troll .The entire world has recognized your trolling ability and are now respecting it .All you need is PC and a forum and way you go.Please realize the hidden talents within yourself .
Bmz wrote:
I do not write at FFI anymore but sometimes I just read to see what the various goons are writing
ITs not that you dont write at FFI but rather the fact is you are not allowed to write(trolling to be precise) at FFI .
Where did the FFI goon skynightblaze write and post this and what was your response to the immature Sub-continental Hindu freak at FFI?
There are so many frauds and fakes at FFI, claiming to be ex-Muslims but I do not believe they were Muslims ever. How can I take this internet freak's word that he is an atheist?
And what does make an atheist internet freak reliable, trustworthy and honest? Why should I trust an atheist, specially a Hindu, who is Hindu forever and calls the myth Rama, Lord Rama? lol!
I see nothing much in his post, except his usual style but this time his gibberish has increased. I see no improvement in the goon. His NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) appears to be getting worse and the megalomaniac needs medical help.
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