When did the Christians corrupt Christ's teaching?

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam all

One of the new idiots on FFI raised the following question to any Muslim:

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jsc of FFI said:

In the Quran it's claimed that Christians corrupted Jesus Christ's true teachings.

My question is when did this happen? Was it after He was raised? A couple of years (say 4-9 years) after He was raised? Or 50 years after He was raised? Or ... when was it?

Please support your answer with appropriate reference from Islam authoritative sources such as the Quran, Hadith or any traditional exegesis by muslim scholars.

Thank you very much.

PS
If it's possible, I would also like to ask similiar question about the Bible. That is, when was the bible corrupted (as claimed by the Quran).

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I tried to quiz him by asking him that he needs to state what are Jesus true teachings first, so he replied as follow:

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam all

One of the new idiots on FFI raised the following question to any Muslim:

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jsc of FFI said:

In the Quran it's claimed that Christians corrupted Jesus Christ's true teachings.

My question is when did this happen? Was it after He was raised? A couple of years (say 4-9 years) after He was raised? Or 50 years after He was raised? Or ... when was it?

Please support your answer with appropriate reference from Islam authoritative sources such as the Quran, Hadith or any traditional exegesis by muslim scholars.

Thank you very much.

PS
If it's possible, I would also like to ask similiar question about the Bible. That is, when was the bible corrupted (as claimed by the Quran).

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I tried to quiz him by asking him that he needs to state what are Jesus true teachings first, so he replied as follow:

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam all

I believe it will be a total waste of my time to reply to such ignorant and arrogant freak H M, I decided however to reply to the whole thread again in general, the thread is titlead: When the Christians corrupted the teachings of Jesus, the answer to such question is really simple when we look closely at the history of Christianity.

Firstly we need to confirm the teachings of Jesus as documented by four of his disciples, Mark, John Luke and Matthew Between 70 AD and 100 AD, those four writers collected whatever could be found or remembered about the life and teachings of Jesus. Their writings became the books known as Mark, John Luke and Matthew in the New Testament, and in the books of Matthew, Mark, and Luke that we learn more about to the teachings of Jesus in his parables and discover the Injeel of Jesus which is very different from the gospel of Paul, so let me remind you all with some of what those writers told us about the teachings of Jesus:

Matthew, Mark, and Luke, believed that Jesus was not God:

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
(Mark ; 10:18)

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
(Matthew ; 19:17)
-> See how Jesus teachings is clear that he is not a god: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God., therefore any teachings that imply that Jesus is a god must be corruption

Certainly calling the One God as the father is not explicit to Jesus, it is nothing but a metaphor that also applies to Jesus, look at what Jesus said in his teachings in the following passage:

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
(Matthew ; 23:9}
-> See how the metaphor is clear in Jesus teaching that we should: call no man your father upon the earth, despite the clear facts that our real fathers are humans on earth, what Jesus meant in his metaphor that all of us should be united and believing in the One God as sort of He is our father metaphorically, it is clear that calling the One God the father applies to all humans as stated in Jesus????Ã??? teachings above, therefore calling the One God as being a physical father to anyone must be corruption.

Paul was born around Jesus time and was beheaded by the Romans when he was about 66 years old, some thirty odd years after Jesus death, he was the main founder of the early Christianity, look at what encyclopaedia Britannica says about him:

Paul was one of the leaders of the first generation of Christians, often considered to be the second most important person in the history of Christianity. In his own day, although he was a major figure within the very small Christian movement, he also had many enemies and detractors, and his contemporaries probably did not accord him as much respect as they gave Peter and James. Paul was compelled to struggle, therefore, to establish his own worth and authority. His surviving letters, however, have had enormous influence on subsequent Christianity and secure his place as one of the greatest religious leaders of all time.

Clear from the above that Christianity as we see it today was mostly based on what Paul wrote in his letters which constitute a large percentage of the New Testament, his writings are as follows:

????Ã??????Ã?> Romans
????Ã??????Ã?>1st & 2nd Corinthians
????Ã??????Ã?>Galatians
????Ã??????Ã?>Ephesians
????Ã??????Ã?>Philippians
????Ã??????Ã?>Colossians
????Ã??????Ã?>1st & 2nd Thessalonians
????Ã??????Ã?>1st & 2nd Timothy
????Ã??????Ã?>Titus
????Ã??????Ã?>Philemon

Now, if Paul is a conman then the Quran charge against Christianity is confirmed, and we should then answer the main question of this thread which is: When Christianity got corrupted, the answer will be simply during the last half of Paul????Ã???s life, somewhere between year 30AD and year 70AD

One of Paul invented doctrine was his allegation that Jesus is God's Son in the form of a god:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
( Philippians 2:6}
-> See how confused he became trying hard to justify his contradiction to the fact learnt from Jesus teachings that there is only one that is good, who is the One and only God, but with Paul, there are two gods, one is lesser than the other, which is a lame apology by him trying to keep the monotheism intact, because regardless how a god is lesser than the other god, we still have two gods, in clear violation to Jesus main teaching that there is only One God

Peter who was one of the disciples exposes Paul????Ã???s confusion when we read the following from the Acts of Apostles:

Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited to you by God with miracles, wonders and signs which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know
(Acts 2:22)
-> See, clearly Peter is telling us that Jesus was a man and not a god: Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited to you by God with miracles, therefore Paul must be corrupted according to Peter, because Paul told us that Jesus is the son of god in a god form while Peter is telling us that Jesus was a man accredited by God, whom should we believe, you reckon?, Peter who was one of the disciples who spoke and saw Jesus or Paul who never met Jesus once?, go figure, but while you are figuring it let me remind you with two other quotes by Peter:

God has raised this Jesus . . .
(Acts 2:32)

God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ
(Acts 2:36)
-> See how Peter referring to God and to Jesus makes it as two separate entities it is clear that Jesus is not God according to Peter. To Peter, Jesus was the servant of God:

God raised up his servant
(Acts 3:26)

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus
(Acts 3:13)
-> See: his servant, who is Jesus, exactly as what Jesus said in the Quran:

He said : Lo! I am the slave of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet ,

قَالَ إِنِّي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ آتَانِيَ الْكِتَابَ وَجَعَلَنِي نَبِيًّا (30)

[The Quran ; 19:30]

Therefore, Jesus can not be a god because gods can not be raised from the dead, consequently Paul????Ã???s teaching that Jesus is the son of god in god form must be corruption.

And Matthew confirmed that Jesus was God????Ã???s servant:

Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show judgment to the Gentiles.
(Matthew 12:18)

Jesus must have been God????Ã???s servant because according to the OT, there is only One God:

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me
(Isaiah 45: 5)

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
(Isaiah 43:10-11}

The above teaching is the exact same that we learn from the Quran all along:

And your God is one God! there is no god but He; He is the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[The Quran ; 2:163]

وَإِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ لاَّ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الرَّحْمَنُ الرَّحِيمُ (163)

[The Quran ; 2:163]

Indeed, Jesus teachings was nothing but: There is only One God, Jesus said:

The most important one is this: Hear O Israel, Yahweh our God, Yahweh is one. Love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength ?
[Mark 12:29]

When Jesus said the above, one onlooker replied:

Well said, teacher, you are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him ????�?????�¦.
[Mark 12:32]

Later on, Paul started teaching that Jesus was the messiah whom the Jews were expecting but his allegation put him in big trouble with the Jews, the Jews did not expect that their messiah to be crucified, this led to Paul inventing a new doctrine, which took him some three weeks arguing with the Jews from the Hebrew scriptures trying hard to explain and prove that it was important for the messiah to suffer and rise from the dead, his theory about why Jesus had to die is explained in one of his letters to the Christians in Rome. Paul used Adam and Eve story in the Torah to explain the origin of sin and death:

"Therefore sin came into the world through one man (Adam) and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned
[Romans 5:12]

Then he added that people are saved from sin and death by Jesus death on the cross:

But God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ (Jesus) died for us. Since therefore we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God
[Romans 5:8-9]

The above explanation of blood sacrifice by Paul caused further trouble to him with the Jews, the Jews had a complicated sacrificial system. The book of Leviticus describes all kinds of sacrifices that must be offered in the temple at Jerusalem to wash off sins, committed knowingly or unknowingly, for sins committed knowingly against one's neighbour, restitution was required, for example:

And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein.
[Leviticus 6:6-7]

The offering of a sacrifice is considered an act of obedience to God, Paul used this sacrifice thingy to interpret Jesus crucifixion as an act of obedience to God to atone for the sins of humankind, Paul wrote:

For as by one man's (Adam's) disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man's (Jesus') obedience many will be made righteous
[Romans 5:19]

Paul then alleged that salvation from sin and death comes to individuals who accept Jesus as lord and believe in the resurrection of Jesus, Paul wrote:

Because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
[Romans 10:9]

If I take it that the word Gospel is the English translation to the word Injeel, then Paul dared to even call his writings the Injeel of Jesus, Paul write:

Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
[Romans 15:19]
-> See how he called his message the Gospel of Jesus: I have fully preached the gospel of Christ , this suppose to be the Injeel of Isa that was summarised by Paul in his letters to the Christians at Corinth:

Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast -- unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethen at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep (died). Then he appeared to James, then to all of the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me
[I Corinthians 15:1-8]
-> See, how he summarized his invented doctrine in his invented gospel that he called the Gospel of Christ which most Christians follow as early as 100 years after Jesus death, which is at least 400 years before the message of the Quran was sent. Can you see how Paul ended it with his biggest lie that Jesus appeared to him.

From the above, it is clear that Paul wrote some stuff with his own hands then he called it the Injeel of Isa which suppose to be from God, and that is exactly what the Quran says, let me remind you with its clear message:

And woe to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; and woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
[Al Quran ; 2:79]

فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَذَا مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ لِيَشْتَرُواْ بِهِ ثَمَناً قَلِيلاً فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُمْ مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ (79)

-> See, woe to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, and that is exactly what mister Paul did in the first 30 years after Jesus death. We have to remember that Paul claimed that his interpretations were not just his own invention, but had come to him by personal inspiration; he claimed that he had personal meetings with the resurrected Jesus, despite he had never met him during his lifetime. Such relation with Jesus, he claimed, gained through visions and dreams, was far detailed to what we know about Jesus during his lifetime, when Jesus suppose to be much more informal about his mission.

The fake gospel of Paul may be summarized as follow:

(1) "Christ died for our sins" -- The penalty for sin is death but Jesus is God's divine and sinless son who died on the cross to pay the death penalty on behalf of humankind.

(2) "He (Jesus) was raised on the third day" -- God raised Jesus from the dead on the third day and gave him authority as "lord" (ruler) over all humankind, and whoever "confesses that Jesus is lord and believes that God raised him from the dead will be saved from sin and death.

The above is simply what most Christians follow since 30 years after Jesus death till today, now, if Paul was a conman then what he taught that most Christians follow must be nothing but corruption. The fact that he managed to make himself the second most important man in Christianity after Jesus can not be overlooked, it is like Jesus is the founder while Paul is the main interpreter of Jesus mission in a way that Jesus himself never did despite the two never met once, Paul made Jesus mission into a mysterious system of salvation stretching from the days of Adam and Eve till the judgment day, while completely erasing the authority of the OT.

One of the Jewish writers wrote about Paul:

Paul's authentic voice is found in his Epistles. Here he appears as an eloquent writer, skilled in asserting his authority over his converts as their inspired teacher. The view often asserted, however, that Paul writes in the style of a rabbi is incorrect. His occasional attempts to argue in rabbinical style (e.g., Romans 7:1-6) reveal his lack of knowledge of rabbinic logic. Paul's letters belong to Greek literature and have affinity to Stoic and Cynic literature. His knowledge of the Scriptures is confined to their Greek translation, the Septuagint. Paul was a religious genius, who invested Greek mystery-religion with the historical sweep and authority of the Jewish Bible.

Paul, not Jesus, was the founder of Christianity as a new religion which developed away from both normal Judaism and the Nazarene variety of Judaism. In this new religion, the Torah was abrogated as having had only temporary validity. The central myth of the new religion was that of an atoning death of a divine being. Belief in this sacrifice, and a mystical sharing of the death of the deity, formed the only path to salvation. Paul derived this religion from Hellenistic sources, chiefly by a fusion of concepts taken from Gnosticism and concepts taken from the mystery religions, particularly from that of Attis. The combination of these elements with features derived from Judaism, particularly the incorporation of the Jewish scriptures, reinterpreted to provide a background of sacred history for the new myth, was unique; and Paul alone was the creator of this amalgam. Jesus himself had no idea of it, and would have been amazed and shocked at the role assigned to him by Paul as a suffering deity. Nor did Paul have any predecessors among the Nazarenes though later mythography tried to assign this role to Stephen, and modern scholars have discovered equally mythical predecessors for Paul in a group called the 'Hellenists'. Paul, as the personal begetter of the Christian myth, has never been given sufficient credit for his originality. The reverence paid through the centuries to the great Saint Paul has quite obscured the more colourful features of his personality. Like many evangelical leaders, he was a compound of sincerity and charlatanry. Evangelical leaders of his kind were common at this time in the Greco-Roman world (e.g. Simon Magus, Apollonius of Tyana).

If Paul main teaching that Jesus is another son god next to the father, then his teachings must be corruption because the OT teachings, Jesus teachings and the Quran teachings all agree that there is only One true God, also Jesus teachings through his disciples and the Quran teachings confirmed that Jesus was a human whom Allah has chosen as a prophet for a certain mission.

If the Quran tells us to refer to their scriptures to confirm something, then that is exactly what I did, I referred to their scriptures to confirm that there is only One true God and Jesus was His messenger, when the Quran says indirectly that their scriptures have been corrupted, it does not mean that many parts of it can not be true, well, at least the letters added by Paul the conman must be clear corruption which constitute a great deal of the NT. While Paul the true founder of Christianity formulated many of its doctrines, while the Trinity was not among them. He did, however lay the foundation for such lie when he introduced the idea of Jesus being a divine son. You know, a son needs a father, and what about a vehicle for God's revelations to man? In reality, Paul named the main players, but it was the later Church people who put the matter together that the son and the spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.

When controversy and confusion over the Trinity blew up in about year 320, emperor Constantine stepped in to settle the matter once and for all. The God of the Christians was now seen as having three forms, or natures, in the form of the father, the son, and the holy spirit, and that is enough of a corruption that happened at least 200 years before the message of Islam was sent, let????Ã???s see how the Quran exposed such corruption:

Indeed they have disbelieved, those who said: Allah is third of three; and there is no god but one God, and if they desist not from what they say, it shall touch those who have disbelieved among them a painful torture.
[Al Quran ; 5:73]

لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلاَثَةٍ وَمَا مِنْ إِلَهٍ إِلاَّ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَإِن لَّمْ يَنتَهُواْ عَمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنْهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ (73)

-> See: Indeed they have disbelieved, those who said: Allah is third of three;, what more corruption than that?, see how the Quran confirms again that there is no god but One God: and there is no god but one God, then the warning to the Christians to stop their corruption or: and if they desist not from what they say, it shall touch those who have disbelieved among them a painful torture.

What Constantine did, did not really settle the matter of the Trinity, arguing continued and it wasn't until about year 450 that debate on the matter was no longer tolerated; to speak out against the Trinity was now considered blasphemy, and such action by anyone was met by tough sentences that ranged from mutilation to death. Christians now turned on Christians, maiming and slaughtering thousands because of a difference of opinion. That must be the consequences of corruption, sounds like what is happening now with the Muslims, don????Ã???t you agree?

The majority of Christians, when asked to explain this fundamental doctrine that they follow, no one can offer any reasonable answer to clear such confusion associated with such myth called Trinity, yet the Bible says:

"... God is not the author of confusion...
[1 Corinthians 14:33]

The Unitarian group of Christianity has kept alive the teachings of Jesus in saying that God is one; they do not believe in the Trinity. As a result, mainstream Christians disown them, and the Council of Churches has refused their admittance. In Unitarianism, the hope is kept alive that Christians will someday return to the preachings of Jesus:

...Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve. .
[Luke 4:8]

Same as what the Quran said:

...your God is One God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.
[The Quran ; 18:110]

The Quran accuses the people of the Book (The Jews and the Christians) of corrupting their books. Such corruption can be of many types, corruption in the content by adding to or removing/concealing or editing the existing content, or even corruption in understanding the message in the content, the Quran clearly accused the Jews and the Christians with such, let me show you how the Quran presented it:

Firstly the Quran tells us in brief what was sent from Allah to the Jews:

And indeed Allah took a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chiefs; and Allah said: Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-due and believe in My messengers and support them and lend Allah a good loan, I will certainly redeem your evil deeds, and I will certainly cause you to enter into gardens in which the rivers flow beneath it, and whoever disbelieved after that from among you, he indeed has gone astray from the right way.
[Al Quran ; 5:12]

وَلَقَدْ أَخَذَ اللّهُ مِيثَاقَ بَنِي إِسْرَآئِيلَ وَبَعَثْنَا مِنهُمُ اثْنَيْ عَشَرَ نَقِيبًا وَقَالَ اللّهُ إِنِّي مَعَكُمْ لَئِنْ أَقَمْتُمُ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتَيْتُمُ الزَّكَاةَ وَآمَنتُم بِرُسُلِي وَعَزَّرْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَقْرَضْتُمُ اللّهَ قَرْضًا حَسَنًا لَّأُكَفِّرَنَّ عَنكُمْ سَيِّئَاتِكُمْ وَلأُدْخِلَنَّكُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الأَنْهَارُ فَمَن كَفَرَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَاء السَّبِيلِ (12)

-> See what they were told to do: if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-due and believe in My messengers and support them and lend Allah a good loan, I will certainly redeem your evil deeds, and I will certainly cause you to enter into gardens in which the rivers flow beneath it

Did they do that?, of course not, they indeed broke their covenant and corrupted the message sent to them

So for their breaking of their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they distort the words from their places and they have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded of; and you still see treachery in them except a few of them; so pardon them and forgive; surely Allah loves those who do good.
[Al Quran ; 5:13]

فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِم مِّيثَاقَهُمْ لَعنَّاهُمْ وَجَعَلْنَا قُلُوبَهُمْ قَاسِيَةً يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِ وَنَسُواْ حَظًّا مِّمَّا ذُكِّرُواْ بِهِ وَلاَ تَزَالُ تَطَّلِعُ عَلَىَ خَآئِنَةٍ مِّنْهُمْ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً مِّنْهُمُ فَاعْفُ عَنْهُمْ وَاصْفَحْ إِنَّ اللّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُحْسِنِينَ (13)

-> See what the Jews did in reply to the message sent to them: So for their breaking of their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they distort the words from their places and they have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded of, now, distorting the words out of its intended places and forgetting a portion of such words MUST BE CORRUPTION, so here you have it for the Jews., let????Ã???s now read what happened to the Christians:

Here we go:

And among those who said: We are Christians, We took their covenant, but they have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them the enmity and the hatred to the day of the resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they were doing.
[Al Quran ; 5:14]

وَمِنَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّا نَصَارَى أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَهُمْ فَنَسُواْ حَظًّا مِّمَّا ذُكِّرُواْ بِهِ فَأَغْرَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاء إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَسَوْفَ يُنَبِّئُهُمُ اللّهُ بِمَا كَانُواْ يَصْنَعُونَ (14)

-> See, the Christians gave the same covenant to Allah but they also broke it: And among those who said: We are Christians, We took their covenant, but they have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded of,, again forgotting a portion of the message that was sent to them MUST BE CORRUPTION

That was not the end of their (the Jews and the Christians) corruption regarding the message sent to them which suppose to be spread by them to others too, they actually concealed most of the message as well, the remedy for their confusion and corruption was to sent another message to them, telling them what they do wrong, what a mercy from the One God, let????Ã???s have a look:

O people of the Book! Indeed Our Messenger has come to you, to explain to you much of what you have concealed of the Book and pardoning much, indeed there has come to you from Allah a light and a clear book;
[Al Quran ; 5:15]

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ قَدْ جَاءكُمْ رَسُولُنَا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُمْ كَثِيرًا مِّمَّا كُنتُمْ تُخْفُونَ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَيَعْفُو عَن كَثِيرٍ قَدْ جَاءكُم مِّنَ اللّهِ نُورٌ وَكِتَابٌ مُّبِينٌ (15)

-> See how Allah is exposing both the Jews and the Christians that they concealed most of the message sent to them: O people of the Book! Indeed Our Messenger has come to you, to explain to you much of what you have concealed of the Book and pardoning much , see how yet mercy and forgiveness is presented to them, Mohammed message to the corrupted Jews and Christians was nothing but another book: indeed there has come to you from Allah a light and a clear book , again, why they needed a new book because of the following as stated in the above verses:

1: The Jews distorted the words of the message out of their intended places 15:13 (Corruption to the message)

2: The Jews forgot a great portion of the message 15:13 (Corruption to the message)

3: The Christians forgot a great portion of the message 15:14 (Corruption to the message)

4: Both the Jews and the Christians concealed great part of the message 15:15 (Corruption to the message)

Therefore and as a mercy from the God to the Jews and the Christians after they corrupted His messages, He sent them a final message but this time neither of them nor anyone for that matter will be able to corrupt it, nothing will be added to it or removed/concealed from it:

Allah guides with it those who follow His pleasure into the ways of safety and brings them out of the darkness into the light by His permission and guides them to a straight path.
[Al Quran ; 5:16]

يَهْدِي بِهِ اللّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضْوَانَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلاَمِ وَيُخْرِجُهُم مِّنِ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ بِإِذْنِهِ وَيَهْدِيهِمْ إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ (16)
-> See the mercy sent to the Jews and the Christians: Allah guides with it (the Quran) those who follow His pleasure into the ways of safety and brings them out of the darkness into the light by His permission and guides them to a straight path.

The next verse explicitly flags the corruption of the Christians:

Indeed they have disbelieved who said that Allah is the Messiah, son of Marium. Say: Who then could stop Allah if He wished to destroy the Messiah son of Marium and his mother and those on the earth all together? And to Allah is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them; He creates what He desires; and Allah over everything is Capable.
[Al Quran ; 5:17]

لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَآلُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ قُلْ فَمَن يَمْلِكُ مِنَ اللّهِ شَيْئًا إِنْ أَرَادَ أَن يُهْلِكَ الْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ وَمَن فِي الأَرْضِ جَمِيعًا وَلِلّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَاء وَاللّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ (17)

-> See how the corruption in the Christian faith is exposed: Indeed they have disbelieved who said that Allah is the Messiah, son of Marium.

Now, there is a huge logical problem for the Jews and the Christians, when the Jews flawed themselves by corrupting the message, if Allah did not send Jesus to them with the proper message, then they would have an excuse on the JD, or at least the next generations who had no hand in corrupting the message will have a good excuse on the JD that is if no new message sent to them, same with the Christians, if after they corrupted their message and concealed a great part of it and added many other man made parts, no new message sent to them, then all new generations who had no hand in doing so must have a good excuse on the JD, however by Allah sending to both of them a final message that can not corrupted then those who have heard the message can never have an excuse, and this is what verse 5:19 is telling us:

O people of the Book! Indeed Our messenger has come to you to explain to you after a period of no messengers, lest you say: There came not to us a bearer of good news nor a warner, but indeed there has come to you a bearer of good news and a warner; and Allah over everything is Capable.
[Al Quran ; 5:19]

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ قَدْ جَاءكُمْ رَسُولُنَا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُمْ عَلَى فَتْرَةٍ مِّنَ الرُّسُلِ أَن تَقُولُواْ مَا جَاءنَا مِن بَشِيرٍ وَلاَ نَذِيرٍ فَقَدْ جَاءكُم بَشِيرٌ وَنَذِيرٌ وَاللّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ (19)

-> See: O people of the Book! Indeed Our messenger has come to you to explain to you after a period of no messengers, lest you say: There came not to us a bearer of good news nor a warner, but indeed there has come to you a bearer of good news and a warner;, it is going to be really tough for them or for anyone who heard the message and rejected it.

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam all

I believe it will be a total waste of my time to reply to such ignorant and arrogant freak H M, I decided however to reply to the whole thread again in general, the thread is titlead: When the Christians corrupted the teachings of Jesus, the answer to such question is really simple when we look closely at the history of Christianity.

Firstly we need to confirm the teachings of Jesus as documented by four of his disciples, Mark, John Luke and Matthew Between 70 AD and 100 AD, those four writers collected whatever could be found or remembered about the life and teachings of Jesus. Their writings became the books known as Mark, John Luke and Matthew in the New Testament, and in the books of Matthew, Mark, and Luke that we learn more about to the teachings of Jesus in his parables and discover the Injeel of Jesus which is very different from the gospel of Paul, so let me remind you all with some of what those writers told us about the teachings of Jesus:

Matthew, Mark, and Luke, believed that Jesus was not God:

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
(Mark ; 10:18)

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
(Matthew ; 19:17)
-> See how Jesus teachings is clear that he is not a god: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God., therefore any teachings that imply that Jesus is a god must be corruption

Certainly calling the One God as the father is not explicit to Jesus, it is nothing but a metaphor that also applies to Jesus, look at what Jesus said in his teachings in the following passage:

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
(Matthew ; 23:9}
-> See how the metaphor is clear in Jesus teaching that we should: call no man your father upon the earth, despite the clear facts that our real fathers are humans on earth, what Jesus meant in his metaphor that all of us should be united and believing in the One God as sort of He is our father metaphorically, it is clear that calling the One God the father applies to all humans as stated in Jesus????Ã??? teachings above, therefore calling the One God as being a physical father to anyone must be corruption.

Paul was born around Jesus time and was beheaded by the Romans when he was about 66 years old, some thirty odd years after Jesus death, he was the main founder of the early Christianity, look at what encyclopaedia Britannica says about him:

Paul was one of the leaders of the first generation of Christians, often considered to be the second most important person in the history of Christianity. In his own day, although he was a major figure within the very small Christian movement, he also had many enemies and detractors, and his contemporaries probably did not accord him as much respect as they gave Peter and James. Paul was compelled to struggle, therefore, to establish his own worth and authority. His surviving letters, however, have had enormous influence on subsequent Christianity and secure his place as one of the greatest religious leaders of all time.

Clear from the above that Christianity as we see it today was mostly based on what Paul wrote in his letters which constitute a large percentage of the New Testament, his writings are as follows:

????Ã??????Ã?> Romans
????Ã??????Ã?>1st & 2nd Corinthians
????Ã??????Ã?>Galatians
????Ã??????Ã?>Ephesians
????Ã??????Ã?>Philippians
????Ã??????Ã?>Colossians
????Ã??????Ã?>1st & 2nd Thessalonians
????Ã??????Ã?>1st & 2nd Timothy
????Ã??????Ã?>Titus
????Ã??????Ã?>Philemon

Now, if Paul is a conman then the Quran charge against Christianity is confirmed, and we should then answer the main question of this thread which is: When Christianity got corrupted, the answer will be simply during the last half of Paul????Ã???s life, somewhere between year 30AD and year 70AD

One of Paul invented doctrine was his allegation that Jesus is God's Son in the form of a god:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
( Philippians 2:6}
-> See how confused he became trying hard to justify his contradiction to the fact learnt from Jesus teachings that there is only one that is good, who is the One and only God, but with Paul, there are two gods, one is lesser than the other, which is a lame apology by him trying to keep the monotheism intact, because regardless how a god is lesser than the other god, we still have two gods, in clear violation to Jesus main teaching that there is only One God

Peter who was one of the disciples exposes Paul????Ã???s confusion when we read the following from the Acts of Apostles:

Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited to you by God with miracles, wonders and signs which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know
(Acts 2:22)
-> See, clearly Peter is telling us that Jesus was a man and not a god: Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited to you by God with miracles, therefore Paul must be corrupted according to Peter, because Paul told us that Jesus is the son of god in a god form while Peter is telling us that Jesus was a man accredited by God, whom should we believe, you reckon?, Peter who was one of the disciples who spoke and saw Jesus or Paul who never met Jesus once?, go figure, but while you are figuring it let me remind you with two other quotes by Peter:

God has raised this Jesus . . .
(Acts 2:32)

God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ
(Acts 2:36)
-> See how Peter referring to God and to Jesus makes it as two separate entities it is clear that Jesus is not God according to Peter. To Peter, Jesus was the servant of God:

God raised up his servant
(Acts 3:26)

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus
(Acts 3:13)
-> See: his servant, who is Jesus, exactly as what Jesus said in the Quran:

He said : Lo! I am the slave of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet ,

قَالَ إِنِّي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ آتَانِيَ الْكِتَابَ وَجَعَلَنِي نَبِيًّا (30)

[The Quran ; 19:30]

Therefore, Jesus can not be a god because gods can not be raised from the dead, consequently Paul????Ã???s teaching that Jesus is the son of god in god form must be corruption.

And Matthew confirmed that Jesus was God????Ã???s servant:

Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show judgment to the Gentiles.
(Matthew 12:18)

Jesus must have been God????Ã???s servant because according to the OT, there is only One God:

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me
(Isaiah 45: 5)

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
(Isaiah 43:10-11}

The above teaching is the exact same that we learn from the Quran all along:

And your God is one God! there is no god but He; He is the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[The Quran ; 2:163]

وَإِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ لاَّ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الرَّحْمَنُ الرَّحِيمُ (163)

[The Quran ; 2:163]

Indeed, Jesus teachings was nothing but: There is only One God, Jesus said:

The most important one is this: Hear O Israel, Yahweh our God, Yahweh is one. Love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength ?
[Mark 12:29]

When Jesus said the above, one onlooker replied:

Well said, teacher, you are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him ????�?????�¦.
[Mark 12:32]

Later on, Paul started teaching that Jesus was the messiah whom the Jews were expecting but his allegation put him in big trouble with the Jews, the Jews did not expect that their messiah to be crucified, this led to Paul inventing a new doctrine, which took him some three weeks arguing with the Jews from the Hebrew scriptures trying hard to explain and prove that it was important for the messiah to suffer and rise from the dead, his theory about why Jesus had to die is explained in one of his letters to the Christians in Rome. Paul used Adam and Eve story in the Torah to explain the origin of sin and death:

"Therefore sin came into the world through one man (Adam) and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned
[Romans 5:12]

Then he added that people are saved from sin and death by Jesus death on the cross:

But God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ (Jesus) died for us. Since therefore we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God
[Romans 5:8-9]

The above explanation of blood sacrifice by Paul caused further trouble to him with the Jews, the Jews had a complicated sacrificial system. The book of Leviticus describes all kinds of sacrifices that must be offered in the temple at Jerusalem to wash off sins, committed knowingly or unknowingly, for sins committed knowingly against one's neighbour, restitution was required, for example:

And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein.
[Leviticus 6:6-7]

The offering of a sacrifice is considered an act of obedience to God, Paul used this sacrifice thingy to interpret Jesus crucifixion as an act of obedience to God to atone for the sins of humankind, Paul wrote:

For as by one man's (Adam's) disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man's (Jesus') obedience many will be made righteous
[Romans 5:19]

Paul then alleged that salvation from sin and death comes to individuals who accept Jesus as lord and believe in the resurrection of Jesus, Paul wrote:

Because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
[Romans 10:9]

If I take it that the word Gospel is the English translation to the word Injeel, then Paul dared to even call his writings the Injeel of Jesus, Paul write:

Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
[Romans 15:19]
-> See how he called his message the Gospel of Jesus: I have fully preached the gospel of Christ , this suppose to be the Injeel of Isa that was summarised by Paul in his letters to the Christians at Corinth:

Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast -- unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethen at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep (died). Then he appeared to James, then to all of the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me
[I Corinthians 15:1-8]
-> See, how he summarized his invented doctrine in his invented gospel that he called the Gospel of Christ which most Christians follow as early as 100 years after Jesus death, which is at least 400 years before the message of the Quran was sent. Can you see how Paul ended it with his biggest lie that Jesus appeared to him.

From the above, it is clear that Paul wrote some stuff with his own hands then he called it the Injeel of Isa which suppose to be from God, and that is exactly what the Quran says, let me remind you with its clear message:

And woe to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; and woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
[Al Quran ; 2:79]

فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَذَا مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ لِيَشْتَرُواْ بِهِ ثَمَناً قَلِيلاً فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُمْ مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ (79)

-> See, woe to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, and that is exactly what mister Paul did in the first 30 years after Jesus death. We have to remember that Paul claimed that his interpretations were not just his own invention, but had come to him by personal inspiration; he claimed that he had personal meetings with the resurrected Jesus, despite he had never met him during his lifetime. Such relation with Jesus, he claimed, gained through visions and dreams, was far detailed to what we know about Jesus during his lifetime, when Jesus suppose to be much more informal about his mission.

The fake gospel of Paul may be summarized as follow:

(1) "Christ died for our sins" -- The penalty for sin is death but Jesus is God's divine and sinless son who died on the cross to pay the death penalty on behalf of humankind.

(2) "He (Jesus) was raised on the third day" -- God raised Jesus from the dead on the third day and gave him authority as "lord" (ruler) over all humankind, and whoever "confesses that Jesus is lord and believes that God raised him from the dead will be saved from sin and death.

The above is simply what most Christians follow since 30 years after Jesus death till today, now, if Paul was a conman then what he taught that most Christians follow must be nothing but corruption. The fact that he managed to make himself the second most important man in Christianity after Jesus can not be overlooked, it is like Jesus is the founder while Paul is the main interpreter of Jesus mission in a way that Jesus himself never did despite the two never met once, Paul made Jesus mission into a mysterious system of salvation stretching from the days of Adam and Eve till the judgment day, while completely erasing the authority of the OT.

One of the Jewish writers wrote about Paul:

Paul's authentic voice is found in his Epistles. Here he appears as an eloquent writer, skilled in asserting his authority over his converts as their inspired teacher. The view often asserted, however, that Paul writes in the style of a rabbi is incorrect. His occasional attempts to argue in rabbinical style (e.g., Romans 7:1-6) reveal his lack of knowledge of rabbinic logic. Paul's letters belong to Greek literature and have affinity to Stoic and Cynic literature. His knowledge of the Scriptures is confined to their Greek translation, the Septuagint. Paul was a religious genius, who invested Greek mystery-religion with the historical sweep and authority of the Jewish Bible.

Paul, not Jesus, was the founder of Christianity as a new religion which developed away from both normal Judaism and the Nazarene variety of Judaism. In this new religion, the Torah was abrogated as having had only temporary validity. The central myth of the new religion was that of an atoning death of a divine being. Belief in this sacrifice, and a mystical sharing of the death of the deity, formed the only path to salvation. Paul derived this religion from Hellenistic sources, chiefly by a fusion of concepts taken from Gnosticism and concepts taken from the mystery religions, particularly from that of Attis. The combination of these elements with features derived from Judaism, particularly the incorporation of the Jewish scriptures, reinterpreted to provide a background of sacred history for the new myth, was unique; and Paul alone was the creator of this amalgam. Jesus himself had no idea of it, and would have been amazed and shocked at the role assigned to him by Paul as a suffering deity. Nor did Paul have any predecessors among the Nazarenes though later mythography tried to assign this role to Stephen, and modern scholars have discovered equally mythical predecessors for Paul in a group called the 'Hellenists'. Paul, as the personal begetter of the Christian myth, has never been given sufficient credit for his originality. The reverence paid through the centuries to the great Saint Paul has quite obscured the more colourful features of his personality. Like many evangelical leaders, he was a compound of sincerity and charlatanry. Evangelical leaders of his kind were common at this time in the Greco-Roman world (e.g. Simon Magus, Apollonius of Tyana).

If Paul main teaching that Jesus is another son god next to the father, then his teachings must be corruption because the OT teachings, Jesus teachings and the Quran teachings all agree that there is only One true God, also Jesus teachings through his disciples and the Quran teachings confirmed that Jesus was a human whom Allah has chosen as a prophet for a certain mission.

If the Quran tells us to refer to their scriptures to confirm something, then that is exactly what I did, I referred to their scriptures to confirm that there is only One true God and Jesus was His messenger, when the Quran says indirectly that their scriptures have been corrupted, it does not mean that many parts of it can not be true, well, at least the letters added by Paul the conman must be clear corruption which constitute a great deal of the NT. While Paul the true founder of Christianity formulated many of its doctrines, while the Trinity was not among them. He did, however lay the foundation for such lie when he introduced the idea of Jesus being a divine son. You know, a son needs a father, and what about a vehicle for God's revelations to man? In reality, Paul named the main players, but it was the later Church people who put the matter together that the son and the spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.

When controversy and confusion over the Trinity blew up in about year 320, emperor Constantine stepped in to settle the matter once and for all. The God of the Christians was now seen as having three forms, or natures, in the form of the father, the son, and the holy spirit, and that is enough of a corruption that happened at least 200 years before the message of Islam was sent, let????Ã???s see how the Quran exposed such corruption:

Indeed they have disbelieved, those who said: Allah is third of three; and there is no god but one God, and if they desist not from what they say, it shall touch those who have disbelieved among them a painful torture.
[Al Quran ; 5:73]

لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلاَثَةٍ وَمَا مِنْ إِلَهٍ إِلاَّ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَإِن لَّمْ يَنتَهُواْ عَمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنْهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ (73)

-> See: Indeed they have disbelieved, those who said: Allah is third of three;, what more corruption than that?, see how the Quran confirms again that there is no god but One God: and there is no god but one God, then the warning to the Christians to stop their corruption or: and if they desist not from what they say, it shall touch those who have disbelieved among them a painful torture.

What Constantine did, did not really settle the matter of the Trinity, arguing continued and it wasn't until about year 450 that debate on the matter was no longer tolerated; to speak out against the Trinity was now considered blasphemy, and such action by anyone was met by tough sentences that ranged from mutilation to death. Christians now turned on Christians, maiming and slaughtering thousands because of a difference of opinion. That must be the consequences of corruption, sounds like what is happening now with the Muslims, don????Ã???t you agree?

The majority of Christians, when asked to explain this fundamental doctrine that they follow, no one can offer any reasonable answer to clear such confusion associated with such myth called Trinity, yet the Bible says:

"... God is not the author of confusion...
[1 Corinthians 14:33]

The Unitarian group of Christianity has kept alive the teachings of Jesus in saying that God is one; they do not believe in the Trinity. As a result, mainstream Christians disown them, and the Council of Churches has refused their admittance. In Unitarianism, the hope is kept alive that Christians will someday return to the preachings of Jesus:

...Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve. .
[Luke 4:8]

Same as what the Quran said:

...your God is One God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.
[The Quran ; 18:110]

The Quran accuses the people of the Book (The Jews and the Christians) of corrupting their books. Such corruption can be of many types, corruption in the content by adding to or removing/concealing or editing the existing content, or even corruption in understanding the message in the content, the Quran clearly accused the Jews and the Christians with such, let me show you how the Quran presented it:

Firstly the Quran tells us in brief what was sent from Allah to the Jews:

And indeed Allah took a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chiefs; and Allah said: Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-due and believe in My messengers and support them and lend Allah a good loan, I will certainly redeem your evil deeds, and I will certainly cause you to enter into gardens in which the rivers flow beneath it, and whoever disbelieved after that from among you, he indeed has gone astray from the right way.
[Al Quran ; 5:12]

وَلَقَدْ أَخَذَ اللّهُ مِيثَاقَ بَنِي إِسْرَآئِيلَ وَبَعَثْنَا مِنهُمُ اثْنَيْ عَشَرَ نَقِيبًا وَقَالَ اللّهُ إِنِّي مَعَكُمْ لَئِنْ أَقَمْتُمُ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتَيْتُمُ الزَّكَاةَ وَآمَنتُم بِرُسُلِي وَعَزَّرْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَقْرَضْتُمُ اللّهَ قَرْضًا حَسَنًا لَّأُكَفِّرَنَّ عَنكُمْ سَيِّئَاتِكُمْ وَلأُدْخِلَنَّكُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الأَنْهَارُ فَمَن كَفَرَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَاء السَّبِيلِ (12)

-> See what they were told to do: if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-due and believe in My messengers and support them and lend Allah a good loan, I will certainly redeem your evil deeds, and I will certainly cause you to enter into gardens in which the rivers flow beneath it

Did they do that?, of course not, they indeed broke their covenant and corrupted the message sent to them

So for their breaking of their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they distort the words from their places and they have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded of; and you still see treachery in them except a few of them; so pardon them and forgive; surely Allah loves those who do good.
[Al Quran ; 5:13]

فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِم مِّيثَاقَهُمْ لَعنَّاهُمْ وَجَعَلْنَا قُلُوبَهُمْ قَاسِيَةً يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِ وَنَسُواْ حَظًّا مِّمَّا ذُكِّرُواْ بِهِ وَلاَ تَزَالُ تَطَّلِعُ عَلَىَ خَآئِنَةٍ مِّنْهُمْ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً مِّنْهُمُ فَاعْفُ عَنْهُمْ وَاصْفَحْ إِنَّ اللّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُحْسِنِينَ (13)

-> See what the Jews did in reply to the message sent to them: So for their breaking of their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they distort the words from their places and they have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded of, now, distorting the words out of its intended places and forgetting a portion of such words MUST BE CORRUPTION, so here you have it for the Jews., let????Ã???s now read what happened to the Christians:

Here we go:

And among those who said: We are Christians, We took their covenant, but they have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them the enmity and the hatred to the day of the resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they were doing.
[Al Quran ; 5:14]

وَمِنَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّا نَصَارَى أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَهُمْ فَنَسُواْ حَظًّا مِّمَّا ذُكِّرُواْ بِهِ فَأَغْرَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاء إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ وَسَوْفَ يُنَبِّئُهُمُ اللّهُ بِمَا كَانُواْ يَصْنَعُونَ (14)

-> See, the Christians gave the same covenant to Allah but they also broke it: And among those who said: We are Christians, We took their covenant, but they have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded of,, again forgotting a portion of the message that was sent to them MUST BE CORRUPTION

That was not the end of their (the Jews and the Christians) corruption regarding the message sent to them which suppose to be spread by them to others too, they actually concealed most of the message as well, the remedy for their confusion and corruption was to sent another message to them, telling them what they do wrong, what a mercy from the One God, let????Ã???s have a look:

O people of the Book! Indeed Our Messenger has come to you, to explain to you much of what you have concealed of the Book and pardoning much, indeed there has come to you from Allah a light and a clear book;
[Al Quran ; 5:15]

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ قَدْ جَاءكُمْ رَسُولُنَا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُمْ كَثِيرًا مِّمَّا كُنتُمْ تُخْفُونَ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَيَعْفُو عَن كَثِيرٍ قَدْ جَاءكُم مِّنَ اللّهِ نُورٌ وَكِتَابٌ مُّبِينٌ (15)

-> See how Allah is exposing both the Jews and the Christians that they concealed most of the message sent to them: O people of the Book! Indeed Our Messenger has come to you, to explain to you much of what you have concealed of the Book and pardoning much , see how yet mercy and forgiveness is presented to them, Mohammed message to the corrupted Jews and Christians was nothing but another book: indeed there has come to you from Allah a light and a clear book , again, why they needed a new book because of the following as stated in the above verses:

1: The Jews distorted the words of the message out of their intended places 15:13 (Corruption to the message)

2: The Jews forgot a great portion of the message 15:13 (Corruption to the message)

3: The Christians forgot a great portion of the message 15:14 (Corruption to the message)

4: Both the Jews and the Christians concealed great part of the message 15:15 (Corruption to the message)

Therefore and as a mercy from the God to the Jews and the Christians after they corrupted His messages, He sent them a final message but this time neither of them nor anyone for that matter will be able to corrupt it, nothing will be added to it or removed/concealed from it:

Allah guides with it those who follow His pleasure into the ways of safety and brings them out of the darkness into the light by His permission and guides them to a straight path.
[Al Quran ; 5:16]

يَهْدِي بِهِ اللّهُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ رِضْوَانَهُ سُبُلَ السَّلاَمِ وَيُخْرِجُهُم مِّنِ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ بِإِذْنِهِ وَيَهْدِيهِمْ إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ (16)
-> See the mercy sent to the Jews and the Christians: Allah guides with it (the Quran) those who follow His pleasure into the ways of safety and brings them out of the darkness into the light by His permission and guides them to a straight path.

The next verse explicitly flags the corruption of the Christians:

Indeed they have disbelieved who said that Allah is the Messiah, son of Marium. Say: Who then could stop Allah if He wished to destroy the Messiah son of Marium and his mother and those on the earth all together? And to Allah is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them; He creates what He desires; and Allah over everything is Capable.
[Al Quran ; 5:17]

لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَآلُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ قُلْ فَمَن يَمْلِكُ مِنَ اللّهِ شَيْئًا إِنْ أَرَادَ أَن يُهْلِكَ الْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ وَمَن فِي الأَرْضِ جَمِيعًا وَلِلّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَاء وَاللّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ (17)

-> See how the corruption in the Christian faith is exposed: Indeed they have disbelieved who said that Allah is the Messiah, son of Marium.

Now, there is a huge logical problem for the Jews and the Christians, when the Jews flawed themselves by corrupting the message, if Allah did not send Jesus to them with the proper message, then they would have an excuse on the JD, or at least the next generations who had no hand in corrupting the message will have a good excuse on the JD that is if no new message sent to them, same with the Christians, if after they corrupted their message and concealed a great part of it and added many other man made parts, no new message sent to them, then all new generations who had no hand in doing so must have a good excuse on the JD, however by Allah sending to both of them a final message that can not corrupted then those who have heard the message can never have an excuse, and this is what verse 5:19 is telling us:

O people of the Book! Indeed Our messenger has come to you to explain to you after a period of no messengers, lest you say: There came not to us a bearer of good news nor a warner, but indeed there has come to you a bearer of good news and a warner; and Allah over everything is Capable.
[Al Quran ; 5:19]

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ قَدْ جَاءكُمْ رَسُولُنَا يُبَيِّنُ لَكُمْ عَلَى فَتْرَةٍ مِّنَ الرُّسُلِ أَن تَقُولُواْ مَا جَاءنَا مِن بَشِيرٍ وَلاَ نَذِيرٍ فَقَدْ جَاءكُم بَشِيرٌ وَنَذِيرٌ وَاللّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ (19)

-> See: O people of the Book! Indeed Our messenger has come to you to explain to you after a period of no messengers, lest you say: There came not to us a bearer of good news nor a warner, but indeed there has come to you a bearer of good news and a warner;, it is going to be really tough for them or for anyone who heard the message and rejected it.

[AhmedBahgat]

One more thing left for me to reply to on this thread, another Tom and Jerry non sense by this guy H M, let�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??s see an example of his crap:

[AhmedBahgat]

One more thing left for me to reply to on this thread, another Tom and Jerry non sense by this guy H M, let�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??s see an example of his crap:

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam all

I would like to show you the definition of the English word 'Gospel'

In Christianity, a gospel (from Old English, "good news") is generally one of four canonical books of the New Testament that describe the birth, life, ministry, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus, but also encompasses numerous non-canonical texts, see list of gospels.

List of Gospels:

Completely preserved Gospels:
Gospel of Mark, canonical
Gospel of Matthew, canonical
Gospel of Luke, canonical
Gospel of John, canonical
Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Truth
Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians
Gospel of Nicodemus (also known as the "acts of Pilate")
Gospel of Barnabas
Gospel of the Nativity of Mary
Gospel of Gamaliel

Infancy Gospels:
Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew
Infancy Gospel of Thomas
Infancy Gospel of James
Arabic Infancy Gospel
Syriac Gospel of the Boyhood of our Lord Jesus
The Nag Hammadi Library, among which the Gospel of Thomas & the Gospel of Truth were rediscovered

Partially preserved Gospels:
Gospel of Judas
Gospel of Peter
Gospel of Mary
Gospel of Philip

Fragmentary preserved Gospels:
Dialogue of the Saviour
Papyrus Egerton 2
Gospel of Eve
Fayyum Fragment
Gospel of Mani
Oxyrhynchus Gospels
Gospel of the Saviour (also known as the unknown Berlin gospel)
Gospel of the Twelve

Reconstructed Gospels:
Gospel of the Ebionites
Gospel of the Egyptians
Gospel of the Hebrews
Secret Gospel of Mark
Gospel of Matthias
Gospel of the Nazoraeans
Gospel of Q (also known as the "Q document")
Signs Gospel
Cross Gospel

Lost Gospels:
Gospel of Bartholomew
Gospel of the Seventy
Gospel of the Four Heavenly Realms
Gospel of Perfection
Gospel of Marcion
Gospel of Basilides
Gospel of Apelles
Gospel of Cerinthus
Gospel of Bardesanes
Gospel of Merinthus
Gospel of Thaddaeus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gospels

Now if we take it that Gospel means Injil, then all the above gospels can not be the Injil that Allah sent down to Jesus, this is because, Allah sent only one Injil, i.e. one Gospel

What more corruption than the above list of man made gospels?

Salam

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam all

I would like to show you the definition of the English word 'Gospel'

In Christianity, a gospel (from Old English, "good news") is generally one of four canonical books of the New Testament that describe the birth, life, ministry, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus, but also encompasses numerous non-canonical texts, see list of gospels.

List of Gospels:

Completely preserved Gospels:
Gospel of Mark, canonical
Gospel of Matthew, canonical
Gospel of Luke, canonical
Gospel of John, canonical
Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Truth
Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians
Gospel of Nicodemus (also known as the "acts of Pilate")
Gospel of Barnabas
Gospel of the Nativity of Mary
Gospel of Gamaliel

Infancy Gospels:
Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew
Infancy Gospel of Thomas
Infancy Gospel of James
Arabic Infancy Gospel
Syriac Gospel of the Boyhood of our Lord Jesus
The Nag Hammadi Library, among which the Gospel of Thomas & the Gospel of Truth were rediscovered

Partially preserved Gospels:
Gospel of Judas
Gospel of Peter
Gospel of Mary
Gospel of Philip

Fragmentary preserved Gospels:
Dialogue of the Saviour
Papyrus Egerton 2
Gospel of Eve
Fayyum Fragment
Gospel of Mani
Oxyrhynchus Gospels
Gospel of the Saviour (also known as the unknown Berlin gospel)
Gospel of the Twelve

Reconstructed Gospels:
Gospel of the Ebionites
Gospel of the Egyptians
Gospel of the Hebrews
Secret Gospel of Mark
Gospel of Matthias
Gospel of the Nazoraeans
Gospel of Q (also known as the "Q document")
Signs Gospel
Cross Gospel

Lost Gospels:
Gospel of Bartholomew
Gospel of the Seventy
Gospel of the Four Heavenly Realms
Gospel of Perfection
Gospel of Marcion
Gospel of Basilides
Gospel of Apelles
Gospel of Cerinthus
Gospel of Bardesanes
Gospel of Merinthus
Gospel of Thaddaeus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gospels

Now if we take it that Gospel means Injil, then all the above gospels can not be the Injil that Allah sent down to Jesus, this is because, Allah sent only one Injil, i.e. one Gospel

What more corruption than the above list of man made gospels?

Salam

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam all

In the list of 'Completely Preserved Gospels', we read that the Gospel of Barnabas is one of them, many years ago I have read it all, I actually believe that many parts of such Gospel still corrupted, however I also believe that many parts of it are saying the truth, this is the case with every Gospel that I read, I accept parts of it and reject other parts of it. If you remember that in this thread I accused Paul of being a conman, well, it is not just me who accused him of such, in fact many including Christians portray him the same, Barnabas is one of them. The Gospel of Barnabas consists of 222 chapters, let me show you the last chapter and see what Barnabas said about Paul:

222: Jesus Carried Up to Heaven

After Jesus had departed, the disciples scattered through the different parts of Israel and of the world, and the truth, hated of Satan, was persecuted, as it always is, by falsehood. For certain evil men, pretending to be disciples, preached that Jesus died and rose not again. Others preached that he really died, but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the Son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. But we - as much as I have written - we preach to those that fear God, that they may be saved in the last day of God's Judgment. Amen.
[Gospel of Barnabas ; 222]

-> See, For certain evil men............Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the Son of God, among whom is Paul deceived., i.e. Paul was deceived by Satan, i.e. Paul is a conman exactly as I classified him.

Salam

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam all

In the list of 'Completely Preserved Gospels', we read that the Gospel of Barnabas is one of them, many years ago I have read it all, I actually believe that many parts of such Gospel still corrupted, however I also believe that many parts of it are saying the truth, this is the case with every Gospel that I read, I accept parts of it and reject other parts of it. If you remember that in this thread I accused Paul of being a conman, well, it is not just me who accused him of such, in fact many including Christians portray him the same, Barnabas is one of them. The Gospel of Barnabas consists of 222 chapters, let me show you the last chapter and see what Barnabas said about Paul:

222: Jesus Carried Up to Heaven

After Jesus had departed, the disciples scattered through the different parts of Israel and of the world, and the truth, hated of Satan, was persecuted, as it always is, by falsehood. For certain evil men, pretending to be disciples, preached that Jesus died and rose not again. Others preached that he really died, but rose again. Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the Son of God, among whom is Paul deceived. But we - as much as I have written - we preach to those that fear God, that they may be saved in the last day of God's Judgment. Amen.
[Gospel of Barnabas ; 222]

-> See, For certain evil men............Others preached, and yet preach, that Jesus is the Son of God, among whom is Paul deceived., i.e. Paul was deceived by Satan, i.e. Paul is a conman exactly as I classified him.

Salam